{"id":2633,"date":"2025-09-17T14:36:16","date_gmt":"2025-09-17T12:36:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pallarea.fr\/?page_id=2633"},"modified":"2025-09-17T14:44:28","modified_gmt":"2025-09-17T12:44:28","slug":"pour-en-finir-avec-les-trois-passoires-de-socrate","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.pallarea.fr\/?page_id=2633","title":{"rendered":"Pour en finir avec les trois passoires de Socrate"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Je vois trainer sur Internet, depuis des ann\u00e9es, un texte sur les \u00ab\u00a0Trois passoires de Socrate\u00a0\u00bb, ou \u00ab\u00a0Trois cribles de Socrate\u00a0\u00bb.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Comme \u00e9videmment Socrate n’a jamais rien \u00e9crit, que Platon, qui est la source quasiment unique sur Socrate, n’a jamais parl\u00e9 de \u00e7a, et que personne n’a jamais cit\u00e9 une source fiable, il \u00e9tait \u00e9vident que c’\u00e9tait un texte invent\u00e9, puis attribu\u00e9 \u00e0 Socrate par un petit malin pour se faire mousser.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Invent\u00e9, oui, mais par qui?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Voici en tout cas une r\u00e9f\u00e9rence:
https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/courseincitizens00cabo\/page\/102\/mode\/2up<\/a>
https:\/\/ia600206.us.archive.org\/14\/items\/courseincitizens00cabo\/courseincitizens00cabo_bw.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

A course in citizenship and patriotism
by Cabot, Ella Lyman, Mrs., 1866-;
Andrews, Fannie Fern, 1867-1950; Coe, Fanny E; Hill, Mabel, b. 1864; McSkimmon, Mary, 1862-
Publication date\u00a01918<\/a>
Topics\u00a0Citizenship<\/a>
Publisher\u00a0Boston, New York [etc.] Houghton Mifflin company
Collection\u00a0library_of_congress<\/a>;\u00a0americana<\/a>
Contributor\u00a0The Library of Congress<\/a>
Language\u00a0English<\/a>
Item Size\u00a0745.2M<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Une r\u00e9f\u00e9rence v\u00e9rifiable, bien \u00e9videmment, mais en anglais et qui, en tout cas, ne fait aucune mention de Socrate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Je vous joins le texte en anglais, tir\u00e9 du livre en ligne, et une traduction fran\u00e7aise \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s compr\u00e9hensible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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THE THREE SIEVES[1]<\/sup><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

A little boy one day ran indoors from school, and called out eagerly :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Oh, mother, what do you think of Tom Jones . I have just heard that \u2014 \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Wait a minute, my boy. Have you put what you have heard through the three sieves before you tell it to me? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Sieves, mother! What do you mean? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Well, the first sieve is called Truth. Is it true? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab\u00a0Well, I don’t really know, but Bob Brown said that Charlie told him that Tom \u2014 \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab That’s very roundabout. What about the second sieve \u2014 Kindness. Is it kind? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Kind! No, I can’t say it is kind. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Now the third sieve \u2014 Necessity. Will it go through that? Must you tell this tale? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab No, mother, I need not repeat it. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Well, then, my boy, if it is not necessary, not kind, and perhaps not true, let the story die. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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LES TROIS CR\u00c9PINES<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Un jour, un petit gar\u00e7on rentra en courant de l’\u00e9cole et s’\u00e9cria avec empressement :<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Oh, maman, que penses-tu de Tom Jones ? Je viens d’entendre que\u2026 \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Attends une minute, mon gar\u00e7on. As-tu pass\u00e9 ce que tu as entendu au crible des trois cr\u00e9pines avant de me le raconter ? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Des cr\u00e9pines, maman ! Que veux-tu dire ? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Eh bien, la premi\u00e8re cr\u00e9pine s’appelle la V\u00e9rit\u00e9. Est-ce vrai ? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Eh bien, je ne sais pas vraiment, mais Bob Brown a dit que Charlie lui avait dit que Tom\u2026 \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab \u00c7a va un peu dans tous les sens. Et la deuxi\u00e8me cr\u00e9pine : la Bont\u00e9. Est-elle gentille ? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Gentil ! Non, je ne peux pas dire qu’elle soit gentille. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Maintenant, la troisi\u00e8me cr\u00e9pine : la N\u00e9cessit\u00e9. Passera-t-elle au crible ? Est-il n\u00e9cessaire de raconter \u00e7a ? \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Non, maman, je n’ai pas besoin de la r\u00e9p\u00e9ter. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00ab Eh bien, mon gar\u00e7on, si ce n’est pas n\u00e9cessaire, ni aimable, ni peut-\u00eatre vrai, laisse tomber cette histoire. \u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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[1]<\/sup><\/a>  From Ella Lyman Cabot’s Character Training, the English Edition of Ethics \/of Children, edited by Edward Eyles. Geo. G. Harrap & Co., London.<\/p>\n

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